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G A Z - N A - V E N T O [message #31151] Mon, 13 June 2011 15:11 Go to next message
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Здраствуйте люди добрые. Кто ставил газ на своих Vento? И каким методом? С непосредственным впрыском или без етого? И вообще где ставят аккуратно кто каких специалистов знает, кто сталкивался?

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Re: G A Z - N A - V E N T O [message #31540 is a reply to message #31151] Thu, 07 July 2011 15:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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А правда что при обоих видах (1.с непосредственным впрыском, 2. с обычным методом) поставки газа, и при обоих случиях использования только газа, а не совместимо с бензином, мощность мотора не меняется. Кто сталкивался, пишите.
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что значит "не совместимо с бензином"? По любому, если переключаешся на газ, то идет только газ, бензиновые при этом форсунки отключаются.
Насчет мощности- с непосредственным впрыском, говорят, что мощность мало отличается от бензина. А с обычным методом разница все-таки реально есть.


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Re: G A Z - N A - V E N T O [message #31573 is a reply to message #31151] Fri, 08 July 2011 15:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ты меня не правильно понял. когда ставят с непосредственным впрыском есть возможность одновременно вместе с газом вприскивать и бензин в разных соотношениях (например 20% бензин-80%газ) а когда ставят обычным способом то этой возможности нет, и так в первом случае мощность почти не теряется т.к. 20% бензин. Речь идет когда в обоих случаех используеш только газ.Тогда мощность одинакова или нет ?
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Ты меня не правильно понял. когда ставят с непосредственным впрыском есть возможность одновременно вместе с газом вприскивать и бензин в разных соотношениях (например 20% бензин-80%газ) а когда ставят обычным способом то этой возможности нет, и так в первом случае мощность почти не теряется т.к. 20% бензин. Речь идет когда в обоих случаех используеш только газ.Тогда мощность одинакова или нет ?

Tigixs jan arajin angam em lsum vor neposredstvennim vpriski zhamanak kareli ynenc anel, vor 20% benzin vari, 80% gaz. Chem karcum vor da hnaravor e. Neposredstvenni vpriski zhamanak xod e ynknum benzinov (Urish dzev hnaravor che), jury hasnum e 30-40 (nayac vonc e regulirovka arac) u poxum e gazi. Isk erkusy miazhamanak yst indz ksksi xarnel.


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Re: G A Z - N A - V E N T O [message #31626 is a reply to message #31573] Sat, 09 July 2011 14:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ты меня не правильно понял. когда ставят с непосредственным впрыском есть возможность одновременно вместе с газом вприскивать и бензин в разных соотношениях (например 20% бензин-80%газ) а когда ставят обычным способом то этой возможности нет, и так в первом случае мощность почти не теряется т.к. 20% бензин. Речь идет когда в обоих случаех используеш только газ.Тогда мощность одинакова или нет ?


Да, действительно, я об этой возможности не знал. ИМХО, говорить об изменении мощности в этом случае уже несколько труднее, т.к. во-первых трудно субъективно заметить довольно малое изменение мощности, и во вторых, это уже будет зависеть от параметров конкретного мотора, его степени сжатия, какой бензин залит, какое соотношение газ/бензин и т.д. Не думаю, что кто-либо сможет дать сколько нибудь однозначный ответ. Кстати, сам прозводитель что заявляет?


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G A Z - N A - V E N T O [message #31672 is a reply to message #31151] Sun, 10 July 2011 19:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ghoxovurd jan, vor miaghamanak ham benzin a hnaravor ham gaz et hastat a, chi xarnum, orinak amen 5-rdy benzin a srskum, vori hetevanqov amen angam et 5-rdy ynknum a tarber porsheni vren u yuxayin pahy qich te shat pahum a , ayn vor mi 600-700 $ tank a naposedstvenni vprisky sovorakanic et ho henc ynenc chi, gazi hamar ira blok upravlenyan en dnum ira sax sarqavorumnerov u farsunkeqov, et sax arvum a vor hnaravor lini yst meqenayi tiroj cankutyan et benzin/gaz haraberakcutyuny kargavoren, te che vor chkarenain tenc baner anein el imasty cher lini neposredsvenni vriski, Ays paragayum matory sharqic durs chi galis aynpes inch vor menak chor gazov en qshum. Uxaki ays FORUMI TEMA-i imasty en a vor ete 2 depqum el miayn gazov qshes hzorytyan tarberutyun klini te che? Verjapes porsheni glxin tarber dzevov u tarber chnshman tak a galsi gazy, myus koxmic el gazy gaz a mnum hnaravor a vor voch mi tarberutyun el chta. Ete inch vor meky skzbum sovorakan dzevov a drel , heto poshmanel a tarela gazaviki mot mi 600$ avelacrela u systemi vra avelacrel en blok upravlenian u farsunkeqy u menak gaz a asel vor ogtagorci, menak et mardy kara asi tarberutyuny, konkret nuyn avtoi vra. Noragaviti gazi zapravki hetevu mi hat tex ka gaz en dnum, es harcrel em asum a ete ches uzum zugaher hety benzin vares imast chuni neposredstvenni tarberakov dnes, uxaki ete uzum es lav lini barsc class-i reduktor kdnenq.
Idep, en vor amen xodi taluc benzinov xodi taly u voric heto gazi pedalin sexmum es poxum a gazi bacardzak kap chuni neposredst vpriski het, et karum en sovorakan tarberaki depqum el dnen, isk minchev 30-40 astichani hasneluc poxi benzinic -> gaz et chem kara asem, chgitem.
P.S. Es chem uzum gaz dnoxi asacy himq yndunem u hamarem vor da bacardzak chisht a kam hakaraky, verjapes gazoviky ira shahy uni. Praktikayum um het exel a kam hastat chisht informacia uni xndrum em greq, karcum em dzer gracy shat u shat kardacoxnerin ogut kta. Shnorhakalutyun.
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Neposredstvenni vpriski zhamanak gazic benzini ancnelu hamar petq che gaz tal, da animast e, vorovhetev ete jury bavarar jermastichani e linum inqy ev malni ashxatelu ev qshelu depqum aynpes e poxum, vor yndhanrapes ches zgum poxely, ayl menak salonum gtnvox datchiki luyseric es jokum, vor benzinic ancel e gazi. Isk ay sovorakan gazi emulyatori depqum arden petq e gaz tas vor poxi, bayc et gaz taln el kaxvac e emulyatori regulirovkic (nayac inchqan oboroti tak, bayc himnakanum 1500-2000)

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Re: G A Z - N A - V E N T O [message #31691 is a reply to message #31151] Mon, 11 July 2011 15:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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De xodi taly , te inchov xodi ktas et mi qich ayl tema e, ankax nranic te et ancumy benzin gaz kzgas te che et hly vochinch, kareli a amen dzevin el hamakerpvel, isk ay gazov te vonc kgna et arden lurj harc a
Re: G A Z - N A - V E N T O [message #31705 is a reply to message #31151] Mon, 11 July 2011 18:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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2 ynkerneris meqenanerin el (VAZ 2112 2008t ev VW PASSAT 2006t) neposredstvenni vpriskov e drac. Voch gazi voch el benzini depqum qashi tarberutyun chka (aynqan annshn e, vor kareli e asel vor chka). Neposredstvenni vpriskn el myayn gazov e (hety benzin chi talis, myayn gazov e ashxatum). Isk im meqenayi vra (Opel Vectra A 2.0L AKPP) sovorakan e drac u mot 30%i tarberutyun em zgum qasi mej (miguce shat em asum, chgitem, bayc indz tvum e vor ahagin e tarberutyun@, benzinov mi ayl efekt e talis).

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Re: G A Z - N A - V E N T O [message #31750 is a reply to message #31151] Wed, 13 July 2011 14:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Shat hnaravor a vor iroq nuyn avtoi vra tarber dzeverov dnes tarber effektner stanas, es dran hakvac em havatalu, indz tvum a neposredstvenni tarberakum lracucich chnshum a trvum gazin u nor a srskum matori mej, erevi dra hashvin el qashi mej qich a tarberutyuny, hima im meqenai (2106)vra drac a sovorakan dzevov, bayc nor meqenai vra (VW Vento 98 2L AKPP) vra chem karum koxmnoroshvem te inch tarberakov dnem.
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Ete mtadir es nor meqenat erkar pahel u qshel, texadrir neposredstveni vpriskov. Es im meqenayin vor texadrum ei (2009t hunis), et zhamanak Hayastanum neposredstvenni hamarya chein texadrum, shat hazvadep. Bayc hima el uzum en 550-600$ vor dzevapoxen sovorakany u dnen neposredstveni. U tes inch e stacvum. Sovorakani hamar uzum en 1.3L balonov 600-650$, isk neposredstvenii depqum 950-1000 (tarberutyuny 350-400$, isk dzevapoxman depqum, vor arden balony texadrac e truben meqenayi takov qashac e, kareli e asel gorci 40% arac e, uzum en 550-600$. Dra hamar chem uzum hima dnem dranic). Erb vor kunenam nor meqena, chnayac imic el shat goh em u chem patrastvum vacharel Cool Cool Cool , nori vra hastat kdnem vpriskov

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G A Z - N A - V E N T O [message #31921 is a reply to message #31151] Sun, 17 July 2011 09:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Chishtn asac im mtqin el ka vpriski tarberaky.Hly 06 i vra vor malin xaxtvum a u mek mek hangum a (orinak erb erkar ghamank podyom em barcranum, heto vots gazic toxnum em malin chi pahum, hangum e)eti vtangavor chi, bayc vor nuyn bany hankarc avtomat karobki depqum lini, shat hnaravor a vor karobkin vnasi, dra hamar hakvac em vpriski tarberakov, asum en et depqum tenc baner chi kara lini.

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Chishtn asac im mtqin el ka vpriski tarberaky.Hly 06 i vra vor malin xaxtvum a u mek mek hangum a (orinak erb erkar ghamank podyom em barcranum, heto vots gazic toxnum em malin chi pahum, hangum e)eti vtangavor chi, bayc vor nuyn bany hankarc avtomat karobki depqum lini, shat hnaravor a vor karobkin vnasi, dra hamar hakvac em vpriski tarberakov, asum en et depqum tenc baner chi kara lini.


Neposredstveni vpriskn el mianshanak ches karox asel vor anteri e, bayc hamematac sovorakani het, ahagin katarelagorcvac e. Uxxaki petq e anyndhat hetevel meqenayin. Im meqenayi motory ECOTEC e 16V. Gaz texadeluc araj gazaviky zgushacrec, vor ays motorneri vra gazy lav chi ashxatum, prshtum e u dra hetevanqy lav chi linum. Mi xosqov ira srtov cher im meqenayin gaz dnely. Bayc tu-tu-tu arden 2 tari e qshum em u voch mi angam es meqenan chi prshtacel. Inchi??? Vorovhetev zhamanakin poxum em svecheqy, provudnery, mi annshan popoxutyun em zgum, anmijapes tanum em <usti> mot, ayl voch te qshum em aydpes aynqan, minchev meqenan kangni u el texic chsharzhvi....


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Isk exel a depq vor nagruzkov qshes, orinak, sevan gnaluc chayni podyomic heto vor arden spusk a sksum vor arden pedalin kareli asel el ches sexmum hankarc mali oborotnery xaxtvi ijni barcrana, kam el hangi motory yntacqi ghamanak? Ev xodi taluc hnaravor a gazov xodi tal te et hamakargy nenc a vor partadir petq a skzbic benzinov xod tas?
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Isk exel a depq vor nagruzkov qshes, orinak, sevan gnaluc chayni podyomic heto vor arden spusk a sksum vor arden pedalin kareli asel el ches sexmum hankarc mali oborotnery xaxtvi ijni barcrana, kam el hangi motory yntacqi ghamanak? Ev xodi taluc hnaravor a gazov xodi tal te et hamakargy nenc a vor partadir petq a skzbic benzinov xod tas?

Aydpes el e patahum... nayir ays forumy, es aystex dra masin grel em http://opel-club.am/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=45&sta rt=60
Isk neposredstvenni vprisky xod e ynknum miayn benzinov, chnayac asum en vor yntacqic hangum e u skorustov es xod talis (ete korobket avtomat che, ayl mexanika), ayl vochte starterov, gazov e xod ynknum, aysinqn banalin bacel-pakeluc heto e gcum benzin, isk ete aranc pakel xod es talis hishume gazi rezimy...


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Aper isk voobshe yntacqi ghamank D-i tak vor votd pedalic hanum es u hankarc hangum a avton dran inch lucum ka (myus forumid meji gracnerd kardaci et depqum vonc eir varvum Dilijani pavarotneri vra minjev vor jokir vor petq a 1 kam 2 qces)? Mi angamic qces N-y heto starterov xodi tas? (ankax nranic benzinov xodi kta te gazov et eakan chi) Et pahin inch anes vor karobkin chvnases ???
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Aper isk voobshe yntacqi ghamank D-i tak vor votd pedalic hanum es u hankarc hangum a avton dran inch lucum ka (myus forumid meji gracnerd kardaci et depqum vonc eir varvum Dilijani pavarotneri vra minjev vor jokir vor petq a 1 kam 2 qces)? Mi angamic qces N-y heto starterov xodi tas? (ankax nranic benzinov xodi kta te gazov et eakan chi) Et pahin inch anes vor karobkin chvnases ???

Gcum es N, bayc hankarch chshpotves u dnes R kam P. Da karobkit hamar klini verjiny. Hangeluc heto gcum ei N, xod talis u gcum D, ayd yntacqum meqenan der sharjvum er neytralov, cher hascnum kangnel. Te che amen angam petq e kangnes u et el harc e vonc kkangnes (tormuz hamarya chunes, kam petq e shat uzh gorcadres vor kangni u mekel rult hamarya chi pttvum), xod tas u noric sharunakes chanaparht... Bayc inqn iren ancav et problemy. Indz tvum er gazy sarum er, curt er lav, es el lav oboroti tak ei qshum, vrazum ei, dranic er shut-shut hangum...


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Im amboxj mtavaxutyuny vor AKPP avtoi vra gaz dnem heto hankarc hangi u chta mi ban jardi, verjapes nurb mexanizm a, ay hima haskaca vor nuynisk et situaciayim elq ka. Hangist tanem gaz dnen vpriskov. Isk hangac vichakum tormuzin sexmac es D-ic N qcum ? te et arden karevor chi meka hangac a, u el voch mi ban reakcia chi talis? te amen depqum << konusi >> der xaxum a tormuzi pedaly?
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Im amboxj mtavaxutyuny vor AKPP avtoi vra gaz dnem heto hankarc hangi u chta mi ban jardi, verjapes nurb mexanizm a, ay hima haskaca vor nuynisk et situaciayim elq ka. Hangist tanem gaz dnen vpriskov. Isk hangac vichakum tormuzin sexmac es D-ic N qcum ? te et arden karevor chi meka hangac a, u el voch mi ban reakcia chi talis? te amen depqum << konusi >> der xaxum a tormuzi pedaly?

Opeli hamar da der chi xaxum. Hangac vichakum aranc tormuzi AKPP-i richagy verev em qashum u gcum N, xod taluc heto eli aranc tormuzi gcum em D, voncvor vochinch chi exel u sharunakum es qshel. Bayc ysenc mi ban ka. Kan AKPP-ner voronq motori hangac zhamanak ches karoxanum texasharzhel, inchpes naev aranc tormuzi pedaly sxmelu ches karoxanum, vorovhetev tormuzi pedaly dranc hamar voncvor konusi der e tanum. Inchqan gitem Passatneriny hangac zhamanak ches karoxanum AKPP-i polozhenyanery poxel asenq P-ic hanes, aysinqn elektronikayi het e kapvac, isk Opelneriny kap chuni hangac te xod tvac, tormuzy sexmac, te aranc dra, inch uzum es ara. Du mi hat pordzir kangnac u motort hangcrac zhamanak u aranc tormuzin sxmelu tes karoxanum es asenq P-ic gcel R, kam N,kam D, voreve meky, aysinqn richagy tes aranc tormuzi pedali u hangac motroov azat texashrjvum e??? Ete ayo uremn bravo, karox es nuyn bany duel anel. Isk ete voch, hangac zhamanak petq e kangnes, gces N kam P xod tas nor sharzhves, aysinq im nman qo mot chi stacvi Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


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Vento-i karobken el e a qoni pes, hech vejy chi xodi tvac a te che, selector-y hangist karum es texasharghes cankacac ghamanak
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Vento-i karobken el e a qoni pes, hech vejy chi xodi tvac a te che, selector-y hangist karum es texasharghes cankacac ghamanak

Mi hat qsheluc el porszi, tes eli nuynn e???


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Aper qsheluc vonc porcem? D-i vra drac gnum em? Vonc dnem aranc kangnelu N, R, P, shat shat karoxanam qcem 3, 2, 1 ??? Vonc vor vtangavor ban es arajarkum vor porcem Mad Mad Mad Laughing
P.S. kangnac texy minchev ches qcum P xodi chi talis, mnacac dirqerum banalin karum es baces, bayc el chi toxnum vor eli frcnes vor starter tas, ete et pahin haskanum es vor selectory P i vra chi u texapoxum es P-i vra eli chi toxnum starter tas, vonc vor chfra, petq a banalin hanes mtcnes vor karenas baces u arden starter tas, aysinqn es sax kapikutyuny arac a nra hamar vor patahakan hankarc D-i vra kam R -i vra linelu depqum patahakan xodi chtas.Asem vor N-i vra el chi toxnum xodi tas.Partadir P !!!.Vonc haskaca et selektori azat texasharghumy arden darnum a animast, aysinqn ete gazi vat pahvacqi hetevanqov hankarc matory hangi (teev chem patkeracnum vor D-i vra hangi) ahagin bardanum a xod taly, achqis petq a kangnel nor xodi tal heto sharunakel, yntacqi ghamanak chi stacvi xodi taly.

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Aper qsheluc vonc porcem? D-i vra drac gnum em? Vonc dnem aranc kangnelu N, R, P, shat shat karoxanam qcem 3, 2, 1 ??? Vonc vor vtangavor ban es arajarkum vor porcem Mad Mad Mad Laughing
P.S. kangnac texy minchev ches qcum P xodi chi talis, mnacac dirqerum banalin karum es baces, bayc el chi toxnum vor eli frcnes vor starter tas, ete et pahin haskanum es vor selectory P i vra chi u texapoxum es P-i vra eli chi toxnum starter tas, vonc vor chfra, petq a banalin hanes mtcnes vor karenas baces u arden starter tas, aysinqn es sax kapikutyuny arac a nra hamar vor patahakan hankarc D-i vra kam R -i vra linelu depqum patahakan xodi chtas.Asem vor N-i vra el chi toxnum xodi tas.Partadir P !!!.Vonc haskaca et selektori azat texasharghumy arden darnum a animast, aysinqn ete gazi vat pahvacqi hetevanqov hankarc matory hangi (teev chem patkeracnum vor D-i vra hangi) ahagin bardanum a xod taly, achqis petq a kangnel nor xodi tal heto sharunakel, yntacqi ghamanak chi stacvi xodi taly.

I nkati unem yntacqic qci N u heto noric D aranc tormuzi u tes stacvum e???


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Re: G A Z - N A - V E N T O [message #32481 is a reply to message #31151] Fri, 05 August 2011 10:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Et el porceci, yntacqi ghamank aranc voreve pedali sexmelu selektory hangist texapoxvum a D -> N -> D -> 3 -> D .... Bayc meka N-i tak xod chi talis, meka pqetq a kangnes vor qces P vor xodi tas. Aysinq vor hangi hankarc yntacqum petq a anpayman kangnes Mad

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Miayn P-i tak e xod ynknum??? Bayc voncvor mi ban aynpes che. Inchqan gitem bolor AKPP-nery P-i u N-i zhamanak xod en ynknum, isk mnacac depqerum blokirovka e ynknum startery. Da lav chi. Et depqum iroq petq e kangnes, nor starter tas, aranc dra hnaravor che. Uxxaki hangac zhamanak kangneln el hacheli erevuyt che u aydqan el anvtang che (ruln u tormuzy gidravliki patcharov dzhvar en entarkvum)

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Re: G A Z - N A - V E N T O [message #32733 is a reply to message #31151] Thu, 11 August 2011 23:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Verjapes meqenais vra drecin vpriskov gaz. 1.3 Balon (55kg). Tarberutyuny sovorakani het hamematac vonc vor sar u dzor.Iroq hzorutyan tarberutyuny erevi mi 5-10% lini kam chlini, miayn texic pokeluc rivoky gazov mi 20% ov tuyl a qan benzinov, isk mnacac ghamanak tarberutyuny ski chi el jognvum. Gazy mi angamic reduktoric gnum a kolektori vra, el odi filtrov, ijektorov chi ancnum, ev namanavand DMRV in el bnakanabar vnas chi talis.Phrshtal-mrshtal haskacoxutyun chka. Amen angam xodi a ynknum miayn benzinov, ete meqenan taqa (35 astichanic), 5 sec-ic heto avtomat qcum a gaz, eti menak svetodiodov es jokum ..., isk ete taq chi enqan a benzinov ashxatum minjev reduktori meji jri jermastichany barcrana hasni 35 astichan ..... mi xosqov yntir a. OV UZUM A GAZ DNI TOX VPRISKOV DNI CHI POSHMANI.Mi angamic lavy dreq, ete hnaravorutyun uneq el mi tatanveq, shat arghi.

Myus angam nkarner el kdnem .

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Vor asem mi inch vor tarberutyun a talis ekonomiayi tesaketic sovorakan dzevov drac u vpriskov sut klini, uxaki miak aravelutyuny ira shat stabil ashxatanqn a, ev meqenai tapy chi gcum, u motory chi pchacnum (benzinov xodi talu shnorhiv ankax dzer kamqic). Um hetaqrqir a kara fotonery nayi.
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Re: G A Z - N A - V E N T O [message #33305 is a reply to message #31151] Tue, 13 September 2011 00:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Es hamakargi texadrman gine inchkana? Mekel gazi balloni mi zapravken inchkana?
Kanxav merci!
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1100 $ texadreln a 1.3 balonov, isk 1 zapravken 3000 dram. 1 zapravken mijiny qshvum a 150-160 km Erevan qaxaqum. Meqenan` VW Vento 2.0 L Avtomat karobka.
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Aysinqn edqan el ekonomia chi anum. Mi 140-150 el es em qshum qaghaqum sovorakan hamakargov u 1.2 balonov

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Ekonomiayi tesaketic chka , uxaki dziaughi mej es shahum u matord ches vnasum. Ete karobkes liner mexanikakan shat el kqshver, qony avtomat a te mexanikakan?
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Caxsi mej iroq tarberutyun chi talis, isk qashi mej ete sovorakan hamakargn el normal regulirovka anen, nra vra el ches zgum shat tarberutyun (voncvor anum e Arseny). Isk giny sovorakani u vpriski mej tarberutyun e talis mot 500$. Inch mnum e matory vnasel-chvnaselun, apa erkusi depqum el motory vnasvum e gazi hashvin. Inch veraberum e gazov xod ynknelun u benzini gcelun, nman dzevov e ashxatum naev gazic benzin ancnox emulyatory. Miak tarberutyuny - - Vpriskovy poxum e jri jermastichanov, isk emulyatory matori oborotnerov (2000-i sahnannerum). Isk sary zhamanak et ov e motorin etqan oborot talis, minchev mi qich chtaqana. Vprisky uni naev mi terutyun. Aranc benzini erbeq xod chi ynknum i tarberuytun sovorakani. Isk hima hetevutyuny im karciqov. Ir aydqan tank gnov erbeq ardaracvac che vprisky. chkarceq teragnahatum em vprisky. Uxxaki hamematutyunner anelov, giny ardaracvac che. naev yndunum em, vor vprisky ahagin katarelagorcvac sistem e hamematac 1-in, 2-rd ev 3-rd serndneri het hamematac

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Karoxa et harmarutyan hamar mi qich tank a bayc es goh em, nax prcnum es et gaz/benzin tumblyoric, malin chi xaxtvum u stabil a ashxatum, isk avtomat karobki xatr es risk chareci sovorakan dzevov dnel, matori 4500 oborotic heto avtomat qcum a benzin heto erb oborotnery ijnum a eli avtomat qcum a gaz, gazy vor prcnum a avtomat qcum a benzin u et sax ancumnery benzin-gaz-benzin-gaz bacardzak ches jokum, u et saxin el gumarac ete hankarc matory phrshta mi 150$-oc DMRV -in petq a hraghesht tas. Mi guce ev et sax harmaravetutyan hamar u chkorcrac dziaugheri hamar tanka, erevi mi 300 $ avel petq a liner sovorakan dzevic, bayc de et a giny, isk inch verabervum a vor ches kara gazov xod tas , asem vor kak raz lava vor uzac chuzac benzinov es xodi talis, ham akumulyatorn es xnayum, ham starterd, ham el matord qich te shat yuxvum a, meka qaxaqum senc te nenc karch a chanaparhd A-B, shut-shit es anjatum miacnum, vor menak trasin qshes et arden urish a et benzinov xodi tvacd ya exac ya chexac.
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Senc mi harcel arajacav... Stex txekic elier harcnum baic tencel patasxane chimaca....turbo motori vra linuma neposredstvennii vprisk dnel?
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Ekonomiayi tesaketic chka , uxaki dziaughi mej es shahum u matord ches vnasum. Ete karobkes liner mexanikakan shat el kqshver, qony avtomat a te mexanikakan?

Avtomat. Der motorn el C20SEL, aysinqn, Opeli hamematabar cacr compressiayov motornerica, vor@ aveli vat e gazi tesaketic, hashvi arnelov gazi barcr oktanayin tiv@.


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Chem kara asem imy turbo chi, chem hetaqrqrvel
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Ete inch vor meky uzum a inqnuruyn miana ira gazi controllerin (4-rd serndi Digitronic hamakargin, kam ayl hamakargin) kara ira ugherov cabely sarqi u shat chisht hamakargy kargavori.

Asem vor original cabely arghi mot 20 000 dram Rusastanum, isk inqnuruyn sarqelu hamar depqum mot 2500 dram. Ebay-ic patvirum eq henc esi http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB2-0-TTL-Converter-Module-PL2303-4 pcs-Free-cable-/270680088884?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms= algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D5%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clki d%3D5557645870281915325 et plati vren miacnum eq jampery +5v, isk elqic ogtagorcum eq 3 votery Gnd, Rxd, Txd, ( Vdd voch mi bani cheq miacnum) Gnd-y miacnum eq et hamakargi kam avtoi massain, et razyomi vri +12v gtnum eq u cheq ogtagorcum, taky mnum a 2 kontakt dranq el miacnum eq et Rxd ev Txd voterin , ete miacneq chstacvi et Rxd-Txd i voteri texery poxeq, tars miacnelu depqum voch mi ban chi linum, isk et plati drivery henc ebay-i ira apranqi het drac a vor qasheq, mek el mnum a cragiry , et el amen meky ira hamakargi cragiry petq a qashi. Es cabely hamynknum a shat shat 4-rd serndi hamakargeri het.
Chisht nastroyki depqum gazi caxsy hnaravor a linum eapes qchacnel chkorcnelov dziaugher.

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