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barev dzez ahagin jamanak e pntrum em gazi diagnostikai shnur u vonc vor tupiki em handipel chka u chka mi guce kimanaq vortexic karox em dzerq berel (ИНТЕРФЕЙС DIGITRONIC ЧЕРЕЗ USB ПОРТ) index.php?t=getfile&id=2910&private=0
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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39498 is a reply to message #39312] Sun, 27 May 2012 16:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Malatiayum, Oganovi poxoci koxmic yarmorka chmtac Digitroniki mi xanut ka, mi angam harcreci - 70 $ uzecin.
Isk ete uzum es - karas inqd porzes sarqes
http://gazmap.ru/dopolnitelnoe-oborudovanie/kabel-dlya-gbo


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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39535 is a reply to message #39498] Mon, 28 May 2012 10:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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shnorhakalutyun patasxani hamar, et xanut kgnam iharke, baic henc dzer tvac sxemaiov havaqel em chi ashxatum et inch vor meke katak er arel erevi, da chashxatox sxemaia

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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39536 is a reply to message #39535] Mon, 28 May 2012 12:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Heraxosi larov porzel es u eli chi stacvum ?
Hiper terminalov stugel es ?
Kabely vor chipi vra er PL-2303, max 232 te cr2102 ?
es konkret chem porzel, bayc ynkernerics meky nman mi xndir uni (Zenit controller) voroshel enq hetaxosi kabelov porzenq.
Inchqan haskanum em gazi controlleri vra RS232 e, u da petq e shur tal sarqel USB.
Yst erevuytin petq e charel heraxosi shnur ed 3 chiperic meki vra, qashel dra drivernery, qashel datasheety, gtnel te RS232-i koxmic voronq en TX, RX , GDN. Hiper Terminali vra stugel kabely TX-n u Rx-y irar miacnelov (gazmap.ru-um manramasn grvac er dra masin).
Petq e vor stacvi, rusakan forumnerum shat em kardacel dra masin.


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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39537 is a reply to message #39536] Mon, 28 May 2012 13:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Modi jan uremn es sebc em arel qashel em sxeman havaqel max232 mikrosxemaiov , hiper terminal porcel em chi ashxatum, chem haskanum es sxeman havaqum em u verj te eli baner piti anem, isk inch mnuma heraxosi kabelin, karox es asel te inch kabeli masina xosqe, es vercrel em mi hat patahakan shnur usb mi koxmic ktrel miacrel em sxemai vra nshvac vixdnerin mius koxme kompin u voch mi ban. index.php?t=getfile&id=2927&private=0
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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39538 is a reply to message #39537] Mon, 28 May 2012 13:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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hima mi ban em gtel uzum em porcem gtel mi hat senc sxema vor petqa havaqvi im havaqaci sharunakutyun , da darnuma perexadnuk com-usb u ibr te piti ashxati hima havaqem kgrem inch stacvec
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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39544 is a reply to message #39538] Mon, 28 May 2012 14:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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et el ari voch mi adiunq chtvec, kpocem usb shnurs poxem

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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39548 is a reply to message #39544] Mon, 28 May 2012 22:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Схема на gazmap.ru рабочая проверено. Есть способ полегче береш обычный usb-com переходник с чипом PL2303 минимум. Проверяеш контакты 2 и 3 на ком порте замыканием и через гипертерминал работает или нет это на всякий случай. Потом береш обычный ком (мама) вырезаеш провода в конце прозваниваеш gnd ,rx, tx. Если не ошибаюсь ножки 2,3 и 5 верхний ряд. С другого конца паялником соединяеш разъем с 3-мя проводами к ножкам 2,3 и 5. Можно вынуть из разъема потом соеденить будет универсальным так сказать. Вольтметром ишеш +12 вольт на заведеном двигателе переключеным на газ обычно красный провод. Соединяеш созданый шнур и проверяеш через прогу на твой газовый эбу который идет. Если не прокатило меняеш rx и tx местами можно ошибится. Если снова прокол смотриш скорость ком порта в свойствах и начинаеш увеличивать от минимального (9600 можно начать) до максимального. И чип PL2303 . Я делал и на arkmicro(cypress) и на какой то идиотский HL304 не заработало а вот с PL2303 соеденился с автогазовскими моделями. Геморное занятие проверка потянет час скорее всего но зато будет шнур.

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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39553 is a reply to message #39548] Mon, 28 May 2012 23:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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es el henc aysor et gorcovem uzum zbaxvem!
pl2303 mikrosxemayov heraxosi kabel charelem,vax@ kporcem kasem te inch stacvec!
im gazi sarqvorum@ bardolini e
ogtveluem sranic http://gazmap.ru/dopolnitelnoe-oborudovanie/kabel-dlya-gbo
kamel sranic http://www.carhelp.info/forums/showthread.php?t=35919&pa ge=5


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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39554 is a reply to message #39537] Mon, 28 May 2012 23:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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K-07 писал(а) Mon, 28 May 2012 13:29

Modi jan uremn es sebc em arel qashel em sxeman havaqel max232 mikrosxemaiov , hiper terminal porcel em chi ashxatum, chem haskanum es sxeman havaqum em u verj te eli baner piti anem, isk inch mnuma heraxosi kabelin, karox es asel te inch kabeli masina xosqe, es vercrel em mi hat patahakan shnur usb mi koxmic ktrel miacrel em sxemai vra nshvac vixdnerin mius koxme kompin u voch mi ban. index.php?t=getfile&id=2927&private=0

patahakan shnurov chi lini hastat!
piti mikrosxeman pl2303 lini.shnuri vra kam usb shtekeri medja drac linum platan ,piti baces u nayes.
es arden charelem u kporcem vax@.


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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39555 is a reply to message #39554] Mon, 28 May 2012 23:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Если не надо к usb поключать зачем PLI2303? Схема выше обычным мах232 работает и ничего дополнительного не надо. Стаблитрон пару кондеров разъемы и умение паять и читать схему. PL или FTDI для усб.

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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39556 is a reply to message #39548] Mon, 28 May 2012 23:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mi qich ete karelia aveli konkret, vercnum em usb-com perexadnik, com porte mianaliua compin isk usb-in avtoin, tisht em haskacel, es uxxaki arden shat em porprel ev el ban chem haskanum te inche inchin pet e miana, ete kareli e aveli manramasn patme xndrum em.

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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39557 is a reply to message #39554] Mon, 28 May 2012 23:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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vor stacvi mi hat greq te inch u vortexic araq, u vonc havaqeciq. ok?

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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39568 is a reply to message #39556] Tue, 29 May 2012 00:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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K-07 писал(а) Mon, 28 May 2012 23:53

mi qich ete karelia aveli konkret, vercnum em usb-com perexadnik, com porte mianaliua compin isk usb-in avtoin, tisht em haskacel, es uxxaki arden shat em porprel ev el ban chem haskanum te inche inchin pet e miana, ete kareli e aveli manramasn patme xndrum em.

Точно наобарот Very Happy
USB к компу а ком к эбу газа


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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39569 is a reply to message #39568] Tue, 29 May 2012 07:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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blin a ya vse na obarot. tu.. ladno segodnia sdelayu, spasibo.

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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39578 is a reply to message #39569] Tue, 29 May 2012 16:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Pl2303- driveri masin chmoranas. Ev
meqenayin miacneluc araj hiper terminalov porzi. Isk inch verabervum a heraxosi kabelin - hin modelneri data kabelnery irancic henc USB-COM perexodnikner en nerkayacnum. Ushadir es linum, vor tupi vra anpayman nshvac lini ed chipi masin. Sxeman arden kabeli vra mi tex havaqaca linum, kam henc USB raz'emi mej, kam kabeli vra poqr tupi mej. Qez mnum a uxxaki COM-i koxmic larery bacel Tx, Rx, gnd-n gtnel u miacnel Gaz-i kompin, Trimory bavakan manramasn grela dra masin. sxemayi snucumy henc USB-ica.


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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39590 is a reply to message #39578] Tue, 29 May 2012 22:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Xlop-xlop Txerq es havaqeci u ashxatuma chotki!
menak mi problemi handipeci,asem karoxa dzezel handipi,uremn USB lar@ minchev pl2303 petqa erkar chlini,erkar karoxeq anel dranic heto,ain lar@ vor@ gnume depi meqenai gazi blokin.
mi qani jam arden zbaxvelem nastroykeqov,piti porpres vor karoxanas shisht dzel


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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39591 is a reply to message #39590] Tue, 29 May 2012 22:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Экранируй и удлиняй до разумных пределов. Помехи от высоковольтных проводов не будут мешать когда будеш карту калибровки составлять при разных обаротов. Можно начать с фольги поможет. И сфоткай скинь кабель пусть люди посмотрят как нужно экономить 70$ на покупку кабеля для гбо. Мой ужасно выглядит сестняюсь выложить Very Happy а то бы публиковал с самого начала. Слишком кустарно сделал из того что было залепил так сказать.

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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39592 is a reply to message #39312] Tue, 29 May 2012 22:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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txerq jan mersi xorhurdneri hamar azat jamanak henc gtnem khavaem, der khandipenq.

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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39594 is a reply to message #39590] Tue, 29 May 2012 23:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hovik писал(а) Tue, 29 May 2012 22:31

Xlop-xlop Txerq es havaqeci u ashxatuma chotki!
menak mi problemi handipeci,asem karoxa dzezel handipi,uremn USB lar@ minchev pl2303 petqa erkar chlini,erkar karoxeq anel dranic heto,ain lar@ vor@ gnume depi meqenai gazi blokin.
mi qani jam arden zbaxvelem nastroykeqov,piti porpres vor karoxanas shisht dzel


inchqan hishum em USB-n 1.5 metric aveli chen anum, isk myus koxmy COM a, da aveli pashtpanvaca. Bayc USB udlinitel'ner en caxum (nuyn USB a, uxxaki patrasti ekranavorvac), 5 m-y 2000 dram arje. Esor es el porzeci im kabely (es sarqeci universal) normal kpav ZENITin


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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39595 is a reply to message #39312] Tue, 29 May 2012 23:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39598 is a reply to message #39596] Tue, 29 May 2012 23:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Это PL2303 точно ?

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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39599 is a reply to message #39598] Tue, 29 May 2012 23:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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tesqic nman chi. Bayc nayeci drivery - henc Pl2303 er. Es kabely im gazi ustanovshikneric em vercrel, garajum getnin mi tex qcac er.
Inz mnac verjum mi hat raz'em dnel u dranov kpnel gazi EBU-in.
Amen depqum kompy kabelin tesnum a menak ed drivery dneluc heto vorpes Prolific USB to serial. Erevi GasItaly-n ed chipi himan vra senc inch vor fokus a arel.
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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39601 is a reply to message #39599] Tue, 29 May 2012 23:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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А VID и PID можно? В свойствах устройства где версия и дата драйвера правое меню и в нижнем выбери hardware id.

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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39629 is a reply to message #39601] Wed, 30 May 2012 22:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Xlop-xlop Txerq es havaqeci u ashxatuma chotki!
menak mi problemi handipeci,asem karoxa dzezel handipi,uremn USB lar@ minchev pl2303 petqa erkar chlini,erkar karoxeq anel dranic heto,ain lar@ vor@ gnume depi meqenai gazi blokin.
mi qani jam arden zbaxvelem nastroykeqov,piti porpres vor karoxanas shisht dzel


inchqan hishum em USB-n 1.5 metric aveli chen anum, isk myus koxmy COM a, da aveli pashtpanvaca. Bayc USB udlinitel'ner en caxum (nuyn USB a, uxxaki patrasti ekranavorvac), 5 m-y 2000 dram arje. Esor es el porzeci im kabely (es sarqeci universal) normal kpav ZENITin

De erkaracnelu 2 tarberak ka mek@ Usb mek@ COM.
es erkar USB lav unei mi cayr@ ktrac,skzbic dranov porceci,u et problem@ staca.an@ndhat mianum andjatvumer.
Qani vor ahagin gitem radioelektronikaic ,mi angamic lar@ karchacreci u mius cayr@ erkaracnelov staca ardiunq!
Himael uzum em K-LINE adapter sarqel,vor meqenas es diagnostika anem!
ova porcel nman ban?


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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39636 is a reply to message #39630] Wed, 30 May 2012 23:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Не хочу огорчять но не выйдет пробывали не раз. Но может у тебя получится. Victory

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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39640 is a reply to message #39312] Thu, 31 May 2012 00:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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txerq hima es havaqel em tx rx zamikat em anum u usb miacnum kompin petqa nor sarq vorpes beri te che?


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Посмотри на фотку что выложил Modi у тебя должя появится новое устройсво имя может быть другое хотя если PL2303 тогда Prolific должен быть написан. Контакты замыкаеш после того как драйвер установлен. Включеш терминал замыкаеш контакты и смотриш если то что пишеш видеш на экране тогда нащел rx и tx правильно осталось подключить к гбо и скорости подбирать.

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Re: GAZI DIAGNOSTIKA [message #39650 is a reply to message #39642] Thu, 31 May 2012 10:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ha et amen inche gitem , isl win7 i vra chem kara porcem?

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нужно скопипровать 2 файла из хр на 7. hypertrm.exe
и hypertrm.dll


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harrgelis uremn es havael em max232 chipi vra hima comps nor sar tenuma baic chi tchanachum , driver chi uzum, eli tupiki mej em enkel

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Incha nshanakum CHI CHANACHUM ?

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usb neri mej beruma nor sarq vran ? nshan ev erorr unknown device

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[quote title=Hovik писал(а)
Himael uzum em K-LINE adapter sarqel,vor meqenas es diagnostika anem!
ova porcel nman ban?[/quote]

Vor meqenan ?
Vor tvi artadrutyan ?
Inch cragrov u inch parametrer es aknkalum nayes ?


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K-07 писал(а) Thu, 31 May 2012 11:22

usb neri mej beruma nor sarq vran ? nshan ev erorr unknown device


Es radioelektronikayic edqan el ujex chem, bayc vonc haskanum em MAX 232 -y yndameny larumneri makardakneri hamazaynecman hamara. Aysinqn, ete kompi COM porti larumnery +12 ev -12 V en, isk EBU -i COM porti larumnery TTL (0, 5 V), apa MAX 232-y dranq hamazaynecnum a uxxaki. Aysinqn harkavora kompi vra voch te USB -in miacnel, ayl RS 232-in.
Uxxeq inz, ete sxalvum em.

Для COM кабеля драйвер не нужен! Но это не значит, что в COM кабеле нет, не какого чипа. Дело в том, что уровень сигнала COM порта компьютера +12…-12 вольт (соответственно 1 и 0, для тех, кто знает в какой системе счисления работают цифровые устройства ), а в телефоне уровень сигнала COM порта 5…0 вольт (1 и 0 соответственно), так называемый TTL уровень. Для того, чтобы совместить эти уровни нужен преобразователь уровня сигнала. Например, наиболее используемые чипы серии MAX232. Но так как это просто преобразователь уровня, для этого чипа драйвер не требуется.


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meqenan w124 e320 1995g americanka!
uzumem droselni zaslionken nayem.
kod oshibkeq@ nayem u djndjem ete petq lini
meqenas mi problem uni,gaz@ reski sexmelu depqum abarotner@ IDJNUMA,MTACUMA NOR GAZA VERCNUM.
kaskacuymem zaslionki vra,mekel ira kompi kochvuma karb control.
benzinov chi zgacvum,baic gazov ahavora.gaznel bardolini systema,drelem banki krug Karenenc mot.


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meqenan w124 e320 1995g americanka!
uzumem droselni zaslionken nayem.
kod oshibkeq@ nayem u djndjem ete petq lini
meqenas mi problem uni,gaz@ reski sexmelu depqum abarotner@ IDJNUMA,MTACUMA NOR GAZA VERCNUM.
kaskacuymem zaslionki vra,mekel ira kompi kochvuma karb control.
benzinov chi zgacvum,baic gazov ahavora.gaznel bardolini systema,drelem banki krug Karenenc mot.



Zerqi tak gorciq unenaly lav bana, bayc
ete benzinov normala ashxatum uremn xndiry man ari gazi mej (reduktori chnshum, soplaneri tramagic, gaz-benzin gorcakicneri karta). Inz tvum a xndiry aveli shat nastroykayi heta kapvac.

gaz@ reski sexmelu depqum abarotner@ IDJNUMA,MTACUMA NOR GAZA VERCNUM. - shat nmana, vor ktruk nagruzkayi depqum gazy chi heriqum (kam hakaraky). Ete gazi kompin arden karum es kpnes - gri te inchqan a differencial chnshumy, nayi benzini srskman tevoxutyuny XX -i depqum gaz -benzin poxeluc, ete gites -gri soplaneri tramagicy. matori hzorutyuny. CE-n varvum a ?


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joxovurd hima es inch anem , esi vor havaqel em es sxemaiov, uxxaki miacnem cherez en usb shnur vore vor uni et pl2303 chipe u verj, kashxati ha?u ete ha kaseq vor heraxosi kabeli vra ka eti, xanutnerum harcnum em nenc en nayum vres vonc vor marsic ijac linem. chnaiac es el vochinch heru em et amen inchic, baic qtacak unem .

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